Are wind turbines wearing out faster than the advertised, typical 20-year lifespan? New research says yes, and we discuss what this means for the industry. We also discuss turbine blade engineering and how carbon fiber spar can reduce weight by 20-30% over all-glass blades. Hydrogen power and long distance power transmission cables are also on the docket in this wind energy podcast episode.
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Full Transcript: EP18 – Are Wind Turbines Wearing Out Faster than Advertised? Fiberglass vs Carbon Fiber Blades and More
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Allen Hall: Welcome back I’m Allen hall.
Dan: I’m Dan Blewett. And this is the uptime podcast where we talk about wind energy engineering, lightning protection, and ways to keep your wind turbines running.
Welcome back. This is uptime episode 18 Allen. What’s a what’s the word this week.
Allen Hall: The future of wind turbine technology is bright, more, more green shoots, more activity. It’s looking better and better every week. It doesn’t feel like it, it certainly doesn’t feel like it, but the data indicates that positive things are happening.
So keep some pause, sort of thoughts, go in and hope for some momentum. And we, we keep moving, especially Europe, Europe’s doing seem to be really well and getting through those Cobra nights, teen thing, United States, not so much, which, uh, It gives the EU at a huge advantage. Quite honestly, people are going back to work.
Kids were in school, over in Europe. We’re still in the United States. We’re still not talking about going back to school colleges or my saw some more notes yesterday. Obviously Harvard is not going back to school. I think Prince is not going back. A lot of the Ivy league schools are not going back.
There’s no in the fall. Um, No, the you’s going to have a six month advantage on the United States, so that we’re going to have to see how that plays out. What’s new in Europe.
Dan: Um, yeah. Uh, you know, DC’s just chugging along. I think we’re doing fine. Uh, it’s interesting that we were on the last ones to open back up and seemingly doing really well.
The numbers have continued to come down. They’re on a very tiny increase, like. 30 cases to 50 cases kind of thing, but it’s, it’s pretty, it’s pretty quiet here. Um, so yeah, I mean, things are, things are feeling more normal, I suppose, but anyway, so in today’s show, we’re going to cover, get a couple, a couple of different topics.
We’re going to talk about this a really interesting 470 miles. Uh, underwater cable, um, between Denmark and UK, we’re going to talk about hydrogen power a little bit. And the future of that in renewable energy. Um, a little bit more about carbon fiber versus fiberglass, as far as construction of some of these turbine blades, which are just, just enormous, which is a common theme everywhere.
And the wind industry. I’m also interesting white paper came out about the lifetime analysis of wind turbine components and kind of measured and discussed some of the simulations. And then versus a little bit of reality that maybe they’re not lasting quite as long as we hope and think they are. And so, you know what, maybe some of the, uh, implications are there of, you know, if these are gonna wear out sooner than.
Then we think then how do we need to adjust maybe like profit forecasts and other stuff like that. So, um, so let’s double back. Let’s start with, uh, since we were just chatting about the EU, um, they’re really interested in hydrogen power, both for airplanes and for just, and large transportation sector, March.
Think so. Yeah. So what, what do you think about this? Obviously, one of the challenges with hydrogen power is that you have to get hydrogen and currently. The easiest way. The cheapest way is through natural gas, reforming gasification, which requires fossil fuels, which makes less sense because, because you’re using fossil fuels to get away from fossil fuels.
True. And then electrolysis, you know, splitting water molecules into hydrogen, obviously the preferred method, but still pretty expensive and inefficient. So yeah. So what’s your take here?
Allen Hall: Well, I think a hydrogen seems to be a big push in the EU, not so much in the United States. I think it has to do with just the abundance of fossil fuels, the United States versus mostly coal driven things in the EU.
And. You know, there’s the opportunities before each of the different countries. Hydrogen makes sense in that is creatable and it can be created almost anywhere, relatively easily. And what you need is extra energy to do it. And if you have a renewable energy sector that has extra energy capability or excess excess power generation, particularly.
Slower times where you’re not using so much energy. Can you use that to great hydrogen? You probably can. It may make sense to even to do it. And this is my sort of engineering 2 cents in all this stuff is we should try it on a smaller before we define the entire EU doing it. Pick a country, let one of them let one of those countries step forward, say it’s safe, just safe, right?
France. This is France. France wants to try to create the infrastructure, to see how it can be done and see how, see how it plays out and then learn from that and then expanded, expanded, expanded what I, and I think what problem, one of the, one of the problems that the United Kingdom had with the EU was everything was universal and this kind of seen is universal.
So I wonder how many participating countries are really going to be actively doing this because some of them will be at a distinct disadvantage in it. But I think as a solution from an engineering standpoint, hydrogen does make sense. It’s, it’s so easy to create. It is transportable in some means it’s can be made locally.
So you mean you don’t have to transport it very far in theory, like we do like gasoline or coal or things like that. So it does has a possibility. And does it tie into our renewable energy sector? I think, I think that’s a big player there. Obviously nuclear could help create hydrogen tshirt can, uh, can whinge absolutely.
Can solar. Sure. Yes, it can. That’s where I think we’re at right now. I think we’re really early in the stages of this, but if they’ve defined a general marketplace and Dan, what they seem to have done is defined it as larger transportation sector trucks, ships. Uh, aircraft, they’re not talking about personal cars or smaller motorcycles or anything like that.
They’re talking about
Dan: big
Allen Hall: city buses, places where it’s really hard and things that use a lot of fuel, maybe cutting down some emissions on those larger vehicles, which is a, is a really good thought. Just whether they have the technology to do it in the will to do it is we’re going to find out pretty, pretty, pretty quickly here.
Dan: Yeah. Well, and speaking of, uh, you know, the EU, so. There’s this 475 mile underwater cable. That’s gonna connect some of Denmark’s renewable resources to the UK. So that’s a long cable, like looking at the photo of this thing. It’s impressive. The copper it’s like three stranded course. Each I say straight, I know the size of like your arm.
And then there obviously like 150 smaller strands are still like the size of your finger. And this is just an impressive, it’s an impressive cable. I mean, just like looking at the engineering, I’m like, good God, this thing’s expensive, but it is expected to cost. Well, I think it’s, so it’s a 1.8 billion. To complete, this will be done by 2023.
What are the electrical implications for making a 475 mile cable?
Allen Hall: William had transmissions lines all the time, right? Like we, we suspend them from wooden towers and, and do that. I think the kicker is here. You got this, it looks like a three phase power distribution system. So they got three, three conductors plus a neutral let’s kind of what it looks like.
Uh, I haven’t seen, we don’t tend to do that on power lines, aerial power lines while he. Push everything so close together. But in this case, if you see the picture of it, it’s pretty well packed in there. I I’m always, you know, they say a lot about underground cables, a lot of underground cables, like a trench, um, uh, Telegraph cables are initially, then it became telephone and then it became fiber optic.
Uh, the, the environment at the bottom of the sea, it’s really, really rough it’s. So I’m not, you know, if you snap off a telephone, Cable, uh, at the bottom of the sea in a horrendous storm, you’re not jumping a bunch of energy into the, the ocean. I think this is dump a bunch of energy in the ocean. I’m not sure how they would deal with it.
I’m sure they’ve looked at faults too and how to repair it. Uh, so it’s a huge undertaking. It’s a gigantic undertaking, even though it’s just. Well, they’re just gonna lay a cable and we’re going to drop it off the back of a ship and it’s going to fall, you know, a thousand feet to the bottom of the sea sea sea floor.
Yeah, it sounds simple, but an implantation it’s really, really, really hard. It’s an engineering. Marvel. Yeah.
Dan: Yeah. Well, just like you said, the idea of it potentially failing at some point and being like, Hey, Hey guys, who wants to go fix the cable? Like not knows, go, Hey, Bob, your jerk time. Here you go. Yeah, I’m not sure.
Yeah. They’ve got to have a ton of, like you said, like fault systems and ways to diagnose exactly where redundancies potential trouble, what would happen. So it’s just, it’s crazy that humans are just capable of stuff like that. That go like, go species, go the human race. We can do things like that. Like you said, we’ve been doing that for a long time.
Like there’s power cables connecting the whole world. That was not new. Yeah. It’s still, it just seems so nice. It’s just like sometimes old technology is just brought back into the, into the forefront and you’re like, wow, that’s cool that we can do that as a speeds.
Allen Hall: A lot of it, I think is brute force, pure brute force because the environment is so rough.
Dan: All right. So we’re going to talk, um, a little bit about, uh, wind turbine blades. So. Carbon fiber as obviously becoming more prevalent as these things get longer. And Allen are these, is it mostly using the spar where we’re using carbon fiber? I mean, are we going to see completely carbon fiber blazers? Is it really just mostly.
Structurally in the, in the sparks
Allen Hall: and the spar webs in the, in the, in the loaded structural bearing portions of the blade, the exterior portion doesn’t pretend to be well, it is there. I’ve seen it in the, the tops of anything that the, the pressure and the suction side of the blades, the alerts carbon fiber in those two, because those, those structures are loaded, but they, and wind unlike an aerospace or an even an automotive.
And when, and when they like to mix fiberglass to the carbon fiber and use carbon fiber sparingly, because it’s so expensive. So they’ll, don’t interweave carbon fiber with fiberglass strands to cut the cost out, but yet increase the strength on an, on an aircraft or not on a car. It tends to be just all carbon fiber.
Why mess with trying to create your own special weave of whatever in fiberglass is heavy. And not as strong, which is a drawback in aerospace, but on wind turbines, they can kind of weigh that off. And it, a lot of big, a lot of the driver on the wind turbine side happens to be, uh, the cost of the turbines and the cost of the blade.
So lift can cook, take out a couple of thousand dollars, probably tens of thousands of dollars, honestly. Oh, the Casa blade by keeping you some part of it fiberglass, then, then it makes sense to go do it. I think as we go forward, are we going to see. More carbon and more carbon. Yes. The Halle aid X and the Siemens, whatever D D turbine is.
I’ve got to have a lot of carbon fiber as they get bigger and bigger, bigger on these offshore units who it’s going to get bigger and bigger, bigger. That means going to be more and more carbon fiber, which means the Casa blade is going to go up exponentially. Exponentially because the rest of the world is not decreasing these use of carbon fiber.
It’s going up too. So the marketplace, the demand is going higher. The amount of production of carbon fiber has been relatively stable. So it just creates these real price, discrepancies and wind turbine industry is paying them price of that.
Dan: Yeah. Well, I mean, they’re saying in this article from composites world that their, their goal is always at least 20% weight savings moving from an all fiberglass blade to a carbon fiber reinforced one.
Yeah. And I mean, that sounds like, Oh, 20% cool. But these blades normally, if are all glass or a hundred, 10,000 pounds, it’s like 50 tons, which is just absurd. I mean, you see them, and this is just going back to respecting the size of these wind turbines, which I remarked in a previous episode when I went to that.
Farm in West Virginia to take photos and get some footage. Like you, you drive up, won’t even be like, they are almost scary. They’re so big. And then you’d be, you just don’t think about their blades being that heavy 50 tons, especially when they’re made out of like fiberglass, like tomatoes steel. But anyway, so 20 to 30% is, is saving 15 tons, 30 to 30,000 pounds of weight.
That’s a lot of weight savings. Right. And that kind of ties into what we’ll talk about in a, in a second, which is. Our wind turbines lasting, as long as they’re supposed to, which the answer seems to be no, which seems to be no. So if you can lighten these blades, does that help improve that scenario? I mean, it has to, right.
It has to have some effect because ultimately all yeah. Increasing stress. Yeah. Well, I mean, I’d be like, I’m sure bearings matter a lot. Like all these things that are just, you know, the contact points are critical, but
Allen Hall: it’s all interconnected.
Dan: Yeah. That sounds good. It’s
Allen Hall: like a living, breathing, being on some level a w a change on one part of the, uh, the wind turbine has consequences elsewhere.
Reducing the weight of the blades techs off load, uh, off the tower off every other part of the wind turbine, which allows you to make those components in theory lighter, or with the less expensive material. So it’s a, it’s a trade off the whole thing to trade off. That’s where that’s when the hard decisions are made.
Between engineers and management of what we’re going to design this. Component auto does wind turbine blade out of, and how does that fall out into everything else? And so that’s where you see design decisions and differences between manufacturers because they’ve made slightly different design decisions and that the marketplace decides who the winners there.
And for the longest time, Cost is the huge is the biggest driver in not length of life everybody’s making. And this is where it sort of ties into the length of life, which is everybody’s for the most part, in terms of winter manufacturers are all saying the same story, which is we’ve designed the wind turbine to a stand 20 years of service, wherever we’re installing.
It is designed to stay on 20 years of service. And we’re finding out that, that. Isn’t the case. And so as an operator, what’s happening over the last couple years, as some of the bigger operators, the more globally based operators are coming back and saying, show us your calculations, explain to us how you got to the formulation of 20 years, because we don’t understand it.
And we want to be able to validate when you go off and buy the next set of wind turbines, we want to be able to S to validate your analysis, that shows 20 years. And what it sounds like is happening in some of these boardrooms is the manufacturers are not willing to do that. They’re not willing to show them the lifetime expectancy and how they’re calculating it and what inputs they put into their, to their modeling, which is strange.
Quite honestly, it’s strange. in other industrial areas, there are explanations provided of how they calculate the lifetime of those parts. In, in any, if you think about the electronic world, we have something called MTBF meantime between failures and that’s. That’s a calculated number, but there’s a lot of inputs in there to calculate it.
And then we verify it, right? So if I bought a, uh, a semiconductor or a diode or a resistor or some basic fundamental component, I have a really good estimate of how long that component is really going to live on a wind turbine. We don’t seem to be there yet, which is frustrating because it really hurts the industry when we don’t meet those numbers.
And I know there’s, it has brought down some of the OEMs in terms of wind turbines and not be able to meet that lifetime. And it should, right. If, if, if you’re being sold a, uh, insufficiently durable, Product. Eventually the marketplace had come back to bite you and the word will spread. It’s like Dan, if you, if you bought a, uh, a new car from pick a manufacturer and it didn’t turn out to work well, you’re going to be the loudest focal opponent to the vehicle versus the 20 people that were satisfied for it.
Right. So it turns out that having one vocal. Problem person or company that’s bought some wind terms. I haven’t lived as long as they were prob promised can really hurt the advertising and the marketing for the OEM going forward. So we’re seeing a lot of papers here. And Danny, you look through some of these papers, what.
What are you seeing as some of this stuff? Does it seem like they’re even really close to the 20 year life span?
Dan: Well, the first thing is it’s funny how human nature doesn’t. I mean, imagine. Someone’s like, yeah, this is going to last a hundred years or 10 years or 20 years, the whole 20 year number to me, just screams BS.
It’s way too round of a number. How can you just engineer something to be, just be a happy one decade or happy two decades or, you know, I mean, it’s like the IRS, everyone, you know, for self employed people, I feel like you always know, like when you’re doing your Xs, if you put round numbers in there, They, it like triggers an audit cause they’re like, yeah, you didn’t make exactly $75,000.
You didn’t make exactly $2,000 in write-offs here. Like it’s always a weird, odd number. Right. So who clearly they’re just fudging, they’re just fudging that number. Why would it be 20 it’s? So even it’s such a beautifully even number. It’s probably 16.2, five years that you know there. And so when you’re talking about engineering and calculating things, there’s no shot.
It’s going to come out to just such a nice. Number. And so then you say, okay, well where, where are we actually? You know? And, and like you said, if they’re taking data, maybe it’s 16, maybe it’s 13, maybe it’s 12.75. I don’t know. But, um, I don’t know, but it seems like there’s a lots of components that are to blame for this.
Right. Like the bearings and, um, just overall design stuff. And
Allen Hall: what do you think is the worst offense? Yeah. Knowing and not telling anybody or not knowing?
Dan: No. I mean like, and this is a good example. Are you aware of the, of the bowl of vlogger Casey Neistat?
Allen Hall: No.
Dan: I mean, that’s, I mean, vlogging and YouTube is a little bit less of your generation, but.
He’s the guy he’s got like 10 million subscribers, probably more than that. Now he’s a well known, like good human being fought himself around New York city. Well-known video blogger. Right. So has his camera on his face? Yeah. Anyway, he, he became prominent. Uh, he made a couple of viral videos early when YouTube was very young and one of them was about Apple and it was, he was basically exposing Apple.
He bought one of the new iPods. And after six months the battery, it was pretty much dead and he called Apple and they said, Oh, it’s in built. You can’t replace it. Well, you can buy a new iPod and he was pissed and he was like, this is ridiculous. And he made a video Apple’s dirty little secret, which is that they claim the battery life is going to last X, but it only lasts six months.
There’s not a thing they’ll do for you. It’s not in warranty. Right. You just have to buy a new one. Right. And he, I mean, it caused a big stir because it was a hot product and it was this exact phenomenon. It’s like, Apple knows this. I guarantee they know it. They have some of the best engineers in the world, but they don’t want you to know it.
And they’re not going to do anything to help you about it either. And that sounds like a similar kind of situation. And, uh, yeah, I don’t know what, what you would do about it is except people just have to push back and be like, look. We’re not like we need data and you know, they have
Allen Hall: the market. Yeah. The market is going to push back in the, in the larger players in the marketplace are going to be pushing back hard, very hard because on two, on two levels, one, if they can understand what the likely failure modes are for the winter music already owned and operate and can.
Put an engineering team together to go figure out how to extend the life. They may just do that. Yeah. But without having the data, the original data, like on a wind turbine blade, for example, if you don’t know where the loads are, if you don’t know where the, where the strengths are, where the low, how the loads are carried and that particular blade, and how are you gonna.
Upgrade it improve it, sustain it. There’s no way to do that. You have to have some of that fundamental engineering data to go forward. Otherwise you’re just starting from ground zero and you might as well just start your own wind turbine company at that point, because you have to know so much about the wind turbine that, that, uh, it doesn’t make any sense.
Right? So the OEMs have to be willing to provide some of that information and. I and the rest of the world, if today, no matter what you component, you buy, you’re expected to have some sort of part manual that comes with it. That explains how it all goes together. Right. Even the most simple things it’s going to be like that.
And even on consumer items, it’s like that today. So on a wind, on an industrial product, that makes no sense. No sense.
Dan: Yeah, because you have to make money from obviously, like I know. These Apple AirPods. For example, I’ve heard that they are that the batteries, because they’re so small and they have a charge cycle.
Like they’re just not going to make it past two years. Like, I’ve heard that now. They don’t advertise that, but you know, I’m not making money off my AirPods. So like if I have to buy new ones in two years, You know, so be it, but if this is expected to like make, you know, break even, and become financially viable, cause I’m renting my iPods out over, you know, and they tell me it’s going to be five years and they only make it to like, why don’t you just tell me up front?
And then I could have adjusted my business model. That’s I mean, I think the key thing, like if people aren’t transparent with each other, Hey, this turbine is only going to last 13.5 years. So maybe you should adjust your business model. Right? You know, accordingly, and I think that’s a reasonable thing to do because obviously you need someone to sell it to, and if you’re up front with them and they can find a way to be profitable, then they’ll sell more turbines in the future.
Right. Every time they come out, they come up short. So I go, great. We lost money on another project because they didn’t make it to the end. True. And, you know, we could have changed the numbers up front, or we could have trimmed cost somewhere else. We see that as a missed opportunity for
Allen Hall: everybody. We even see that on our strike tape product, which is a lightning diverter.
Extensively on wind turbine blades all across the world. And we frequently run into operators, OEMs that say, well, we just don’t need it because there’s a, it has a minor cost impact on the cost of the blade, for example. And, and you start running through the numbers, like that’s crazy, that’s it just that it’s, it’s a short time.
And longtime foolish. Yes. It costs everything. Every part has a price attached to it. But how much potential savings are you going to gather by installing a lightning protection product that actually works you? That money? One strike will cover the cost of all the installation. Easily costs. It costs one installation, but time and time again, operators will roll the dice and say, well, I’ll just take the risk.
Okay. That’s that’s totally fine. Uh, it’s your money. Yeah, but it just doesn’t make any sense because if the industry, as a whole is trying to drive itself to get to 20 years, the making, uh, really shortsighted decisions like that. Is is never going to make the industry sustainable. It just won’t because other forms of power generation will be sustainable for more than 20 years.
And that’s what you’re competing against and the marketplace will always make that decision. Yeah.
Dan: Well, and I think that’s just unfortunately human nature where we would rather reduce pain today. Even if a slightly more painful decision today certainly reduces. Pain in the future. Like, this is one thing I appreciate about my own parents.
Like they got, you know, what a ground loop the system is in your house, parents. So they were due for like a new, um, just not just air conditioner, but I think they needed like a new water, you know, their, their house. Like they got along good run out of their old, um, I guess it was their air conditioner.
Right. And then, yeah. And so they, they went and they bit the bullet and got this ground loop system installed, which is way more expensive upfront. Cause if the drill like a hole underneath hole hole into the ground and yeah, but they will certainly recoup the cost of it over time. It’s also better, better for the environment.
Yes. They care said, yeah, like we’d rather do this because we care about that part of the true. And, uh, but that’s not the decision that most people make. They say, no, I’d rather just pay $7,000 today and not worry about the future rather than paying $16,000 today and being pretty certain that, you know, even though, you know, you’re going to recoup that cost it’s, it’s just not human nature to do that.
And just same thing with the. The, you know, with your StrikeTape, lightning diverter paid, just put this on there. Like, ah, maybe we won’t have like, they’d rather roll the dice on not having a problem cause they don’t have a problem today. If they weren’t a problem today, it’s hard to say that they’re going to have a problem in the future.
And that just as it goes for so many things, but yeah, and it’s just, it’s a shame that it’s not that we’re fighting human nature rather than just the black and white of numbers. Like, look, that’s why I bought a scooter. Right. We talked about my electric scooter off air before. I bought an electric scooter to shoot around DC because when I take other little forms of transportation, it makes financial sense to buy my own.
Finally, where it’s like that it’s kind of painful to buy one, like didn’t really want to drop 500 bucks, but. It definitely will save you. It’ll save you money going
Allen Hall: forward, short term. And that’s just, that’s the same thing in wind. And it just is a little frustrating at times. Uh it’s like, it is, it is gambling.
It’s what it is. It’s straight up gambling, right? You’re you’re, you’re trying to make predictions based upon what has happened in the past. That’s not a really great way to, to make decisions unless you’re counting cards and you’re not counting cards that you can, right. If you’re playing blackjack, which just get you a simple game.
What if you’ve won three or four games previously? It doesn’t win men mean you’re going to win the next one at all. Those, those odds are not related. They’re just not, it’s just like rolls of the dice. Those odds are not related. Each role is independent
Dan: of that. It’s hard for human nature. Yeah. Humans don’t want to hear that.
They think they’re all, they think they’re always closer, but they’re not, it’s always the same,
Allen Hall: some really good roles early on. And we don’t foresee having a bad role. Well, that’s odds are going to catch up to you. The suck casinos make money and they know what the odds are overall and overall they’re going to win.
And in this particular case, lightning always wins. If you’re going to be out in service for 20 years, guess what you’re taking strikes. I don’t care where you are. You’re taking some strikes. The question is how much damage are you willing to swallow? That’s it and they don’t have any numbers. They haven’t really thought about it all that much and they haven’t done it, the homework.
And we know we have seen it time to time again, where it’s been literally millions of dollars and for putting on something that’s relatively inexpensive compared to millions of dollars. It’s fractions of a percentage point. That would go away, but it’s just human nature.
Dan: That’s all we’ve discussed that.
There’s a couple of places where maybe like a small town owns a wind turbine or like a school owns a wind and it gets hit and it gets severely damaged. And they’re just like, well, that’s it. No more winter mine. They take it. They can’t afford to get it fixed. And that’s such a. Downer like, ah, it’s such a
Allen Hall: big deal.
Hey kids, we’re all about clean energy. Boom. Hey kids. The winter term has gotta go no way. No, I’m not sure what that’s teaching kids besides. We haven’t thought things through very well.
Dan: Well, yeah, just having that basic risk assessment and an insurance policy, not, not a literal insurance policy, but just the
Allen Hall: sorta is right.
Dan: Taking it. Yeah. Taking extra precautions to make sure. Okay. X, Y, and Z are not going to completely derail us if we don’t have it in the budget to spend. And so that’s the biggest analysis of you? You don’t have 200 K in your budget to fix something catastrophic, then. What can you do to severely mitigate that risk of having to shell out that amount of money?
That’s the big thing, you know, like I, people talk about like leasing vehicles, like leasing vehicles make sense a lot of times because you’re not going to have to pay for, you know, your, your transmission is not going to blow when you lease a vehicle. Right. The dealership still owns that car. They’re going to fix that transmission.
Right? So they’re like there’s pros and cons, but you know, like, okay, if my company leases vehicles and we don’t buy them, then we’ve mitigated some risks. We’re gonna have to shell out all these huge costs. And obviously they’re not just a company, but a personal thing too, but I like the least and all that stuff.
Allen Hall: If you want to have, at least for 20 years, you know, that’d be a problem. No one would do that. Right. The duration has a lot to do with your exposure, risk exposure. That’s just, it it’s just like keep playing blackjack for days and days and days you are going to lose, keep playing dice days and days and days you’re going to lose.
You may get on a streak now and then inside of that. But at some point you’re going to lose. All
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