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Allen and Dan discuss the massive new 15MW Siemens Gamesa 14-222 DD wind turbine, the pros and cons of direct drive vs gear drives in nacelles, and lightning strike deaths in India.
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Uptime Podcast EP12 Transcript – Siemens Gamesa 14-222 DD, Lightning Deaths in India, & Direct-Drive Nacelles
Dan: [00:00:00] I’m Dan Blewett and this is the uptime podcast where we talk about wind energy engineering, lightning protection, and ways to keep your wind turbines running.
All right. Welcome back to the uptime podcast. I’m your cohost Dan joined here by Allen Hall, our resident lighting protection expert, Allen, how you doing?
Allen Hall: [00:00:31] Great, Dan? How’s it been down there?
Dan: [00:00:33] Hey, thanks. We’re looking sunny. It is a DC in the summer. Now, a lot of sun and a lot of humidity. And, obviously there’s still been a lot of turmoil in the country, but you know, things are.
Things are looking up it’s, it’s transitioning to summer. So you can’t be too unhappy about that.
Allen Hall: [00:00:49] So Washington DC is actually built on a swamp,
Dan: [00:00:52] right? It’s what I’ve heard. Very mosquito. Yeah.
Allen Hall: [00:00:56] That’s what I wonder is, is it
Dan: [00:00:57] mosquito season yet? Not yet, but I’ve heard that that’s, that’s a common, so yeah, growing up, I mean, I grew up in Maryland an hour North, so it was always humid and hot in the summer, but.
and there’s mosquitoes obviously everywhere, but I’m yet to experience full time residency of the DC mosquitoes. So we’ll see. We’ll see.
Allen Hall: [00:01:19] And have you, have you seen your murder horn at yet or they’ve invaded Washington, D C
Dan: [00:01:24] no. I don’t want any Asian giant Hornets anywhere near me. Have you seen those?
They’ve had a sort of similar thing called Cicada killers. Have you seen those? They’re very big. They’re like the same. Three. They’re like three inch long and they have those in Maryland. We had some like right near my house, like in my backyard, but they don’t, they don’t like have a stinger where they would ever attack a human.
They just, literally, their thing is they will paralyze a Cicada with their sting and drag it down to their whole. They live on it like a thumb sized hole in the ground and it’ll drag us a K to back down to their children. but those, those are so big. And until I like looked them up and figured out that they weren’t there weren’t harm.
They’re harmless. I would like see them outside and SWAT at them, then they come around. I’m like, I’m sorry. I’m sorry, sir. Like, don’t spare spare me. I didn’t mean it. I didn’t mean it, but if that’s a real thing with these Asian giant Hornets, like the same size, but they are vicious. I don’t want any part of that.
No, no. Thanks.
Allen Hall: [00:02:20] Yeah. Well, you can keep them down South where it’s warmer up here, where it snows a lot. I think they’ll want to stay where that’s a little
Dan: [00:02:26] more balmy. Yeah. I’m going to sleep. We’re just too cold. I’m going to sneak onto the next space X launch and just leave this planet for good bugs are only getting bigger now it’s terrifying.
So yeah, but speaking of things, getting bigger, GE has just, or now has a competitor. So their world’s biggest Haliade-X, wind turbine with Siemens Gamesa. So what’s the news there, Allen?
Allen Hall: [00:02:51] Well, everybody’s trying to show how big they are. And Siemens Gamesa is coming out with a 222 meter diameter rotor.
Offshore wind turbine, which is what a meter or two longer than the, than the GE Haliade X
Dan: [00:03:10] system. So the Haliade X, which has a cool name is 220 meters rotor diameter with 107 meter blades and the Siemens Gamesa SG 14-222 DD just a, just an astonishingly bad name, is a 222 meter rotor diameter.
So literally two meters longer and 108. Meter long blades. So it’s just like, exactly. We’re just at that point in history, like with the, skyscrapers where it’s like, we’re just going to put a little taller lightening rod, and now our buildings, the biggest in the world. And then they added a vision, put a direct TV dish on top of their building.
And now they’re the highest building in the world. I think we’re just at that point, which is, I dunno, comical, but at least if you’re, if you’re making the worlds. Biggest wind turbine. Give it a cool name. The Siemens Gamesa SG 14 222 DD is a terrible name. Terrible. That’s pathetic.
Allen Hall: [00:04:06] got to, you know, gotta do better. You gotta do better. I know Siemens. I know Gamesa can totally do better and Siemens should be able to do better too. So the two could get together powwow about it and go, Hey, here’s a cool name for the largest winter and blade known to man bang. It is the blah-blah-blah
Dan: [00:04:26] yeah.
Name. It, it, it needs to have a cool name. I mean, that’s the biggest in the world. I mean, yeah, it needs to be better than that. You don’t Ferrari. Doesn’t come out with a new model and call it the. Model 17 dash six, four, four. It’s like no Ferrari, no. Yeah, whatever. so yeah, it’s got to have a name that fits this.
Thing’s massive. It looks super powerful. It’s 14 megawatts up to 15 megawatts, with like their power boost technology. And
Allen Hall: [00:04:57] they shouldn’t, they should have a naming contest. They need to have a naming contest. Everybody can go to Twitter and putting your, put in your name for the blade. Right? Come on.
We’re all at home with coronavirus. We got nothing to do. We can think of some names. Let’s go.
Dan: [00:05:12] Yeah. This is the wind turbine that takes the lunch money and shoves all the other winter binds into their lockers. That’s exactly right, but it’s called the SG 14 dash two two, two D D. So
Allen Hall: [00:05:23] it’s not scary enough.
Dan: [00:05:25] Yeah. It’s bullying other it’s bullying of their wind turbines because he got picked on so much because of its weird name. So
Allen Hall: [00:05:31] yeah, exactly.
Dan: [00:05:32] Yeah. Yeah.
Allen Hall: [00:05:34] Oh my gosh.
Dan: [00:05:35] But yeah, go ahead.
Allen Hall: [00:05:38] Well, you know, a blade of that size is going to have carbon fiber in it. A lot of it, to keep the stiff to Stripe. So that thing doesn’t collapse on its own weight.
Dan: [00:05:46] Well, they have a really gentle, gentle curve in the blades. I’m looking at the video here and, the blades look really elegant. Like they have a really like soft curve towards the tip. They don’t have winglets, which we talked about in a previous episode, but yeah. What do you think of that blade design?
Is that kind of to replace or, you know, not need that wing lit?
Allen Hall: [00:06:05] it depends on how much energy they’re trying to drive out of it. That’s the surface is so large. I can’t imagine an extra. Well, well, I guess he did make it two meters longer than GE, right? So I bet I can’t imagine another meter of a blade length is going to make a lick of difference on the power generation there.
Maybe it would. but let’s go back to the name thing, gentle giant, right? come on. Let’s pick something.
Dan: [00:06:31] Father earth father.
Allen Hall: [00:06:37] Yeah, I think, I think
Dan: [00:06:38] I just corralling that’s big blades. Yeah.
Allen Hall: [00:06:42] Yeah. I think we need a tick talk, a convention to get on this so we can figure out what the name of this blade, but, Yeah. You know that, that’s a very interesting point. When you go back and look at a lot of different blade names, maybe they highly remember getting spoiled.
Maybe that’s sort of problem. Dan is we’re getting spoiled because GE actually came out with a really cool name for a blade, and we’ve only seen like Gamesa GA Jeannine, LM likes to list their blades by numbers. So maybe GE set in the trend here, where are we getting spoiled with Holly aid? Right?
Maybe we can go to Minto doing some cool names. Cause even, even Elon Musk’s rockets are named and the launchpads are named and the barges are named and capsules are named what’d they name the capsule that just went up. Was it a
Dan: [00:07:30] Falcons or no, the dragon dragon. It’s not the capsule dragon, but.
Allen Hall: [00:07:35] Yeah, but I think the capsule they astronauts, named endeavor.
I, so it’s like dragon. Yeah. There’s dragon. Then there’s Falcon. Then there’s maybe dragons a model, but the actual capsule itself was endeavor. Yeah.
Dan: [00:07:50] they named it. Yeah. Which is the right thing to do. Do you know what Holly aid does and what it means?
Allen Hall: [00:07:54] Hopefully it means big blade.
Dan: [00:07:56] So, well, they’ve had a bunch in there, like Holly aid series.
So they had like the six megawatts. So they’ve, that’s been like a series, but, Holly. H a L I a E, where the nymphs of the sea, they were often depicted as beautiful maidens, often riding through the sea on the backs of hippocampus, fishtailed, horses, and dolphins. So that’s where Haley aid comes from. So they, they did, they like really named it because they assumed that was going to be obviously an offshore wind turbine.
So. Kudos to UGE you’re second best now. But first in naming first and name
Allen Hall: [00:08:29] naming, right.
Dan: [00:08:30] Which if I was Siemens Gamesa, I would call it the Poseidon because he’s like, he’s the ruler of the sea. So
Allen Hall: [00:08:39] Aqua man, something come on. Right.
Dan: [00:08:41] We’re not seeing them before they were. We’re the King, but
Allen Hall: [00:08:47] well, GE has timed out, right?
Because GE just sold off their light bulb division.
Dan: [00:08:51] Yeah.
Allen Hall: [00:08:53] Well, you know, the light bulbs, we always think of general electric. When you think of general electric, think of Thomas Edison. And when you think of Thomas Edison, everybody gets to the incandescent light bulb and GE has been an incandescent light bulb ever since then.
And has recently, well, there’s been some, just a bad downturn on GE on some investments on the insurance side in particular that they’ve really struggled with. So they’re, been offloading some of their divisions to square up their financials in the, the light bulb business was one of them, which has gotta be a little hard pill to swallow.
Right. And that’s the thing you started with, and now you’re in jet engines and wind turbine blades. You’re in some really interesting industries, but. Yeah, that one I’m sure. Really tugged at a lot of people’s heartstrings.
Dan: [00:09:38] Yeah. So it says they sold their 129 year old lighting division to smart home company, savant systems.
So yeah, it is, it does seem like it’s the end of an era. And like you said, the dismantling of, of GE and their many businesses, but yeah, they’ve, they’re not, recommended as a good stock to invest in. They have a lot of debt and so they’re trying to get out from under it. So
Allen Hall: [00:10:02] they will. I think that they will, but it always, every, anytime I, anytime I hear the argument about how Amazon’s taken over the world or ant or Facebook always go one word G E that you think these industries and these companies are going to last forever.
And at one point, I don’t know how many people they employed, but. Thing there a hundred thousand maybe more, it would have to be more than that at one point. And now they’re way gotta be way below that. So, you know, it’s not how the mighty has fallen. It’s just like the economics at the time. And it’s hard for big businesses to keep changing with the times.
And, but at least, at least you got to give GE credit. I mean, they, they took a hard look at the books. They made some really hard decisions about a year ago, and they’re trying to enact them even through all this coronavirus. Stuff that’s going on. they’re trying to get their, the house squared away. And on the wind turbine side, it seems like you’re doing a pretty good job of it.
That’s for sure. They are aggressive marketing. they’re aggressive on design. They’ve got some really interesting concepts coming out. They got some aggressive offshore stuff coming out. So, Yeah, things are looking up. So even if the light bulb business does go away and I’m sure it hurts, at least there’s a future for GE.
Dan: [00:11:16] Yeah. Yeah. It’s a, you know, speaking of the other two, Amazon and Facebook, it seems like as much as Amazon is not necessarily beloved in all aspects, like, you know, some of their treatment of workers, there’s lots of issues there. They still seem to be doing at least right now, a lot more benevolent work for the world.
I don’t, if that’s the right word to put it, but you know, there. Putting money into research and they’re potentially going into healthcare in the future. If anyone’s going to find a better distributed vaccine for COVID-19, it’s going to be Amazon, like they’re going to probably be in that. Right. Whereas Facebook, their employees are now retiring.
I just saw an employee said he was just ashamed of the company, what they’re doing. And he just couldn’t, he couldn’t work there anymore. Just, just can just because of the moral compass of a, of Zuckerberg. So. They seem to be going in two different ways. I mean, regardless of your feelings of Bezos, he does seem like a very shrewd smart, like innovator, obviously in business.
I mean, there’s no doubting that. and even though there might be some shortcomings there, it seems like very different leadership styles and, and, and moral accomplices. So,
Allen Hall: [00:12:25] but doesn’t that seem to drive doesn’t that seem to sync up a little bit though, and maybe it’s just part of it’s luck part of it’s skill, but.
GE had Jack Wells forever. And, Even before him, there were some pretty well Jack Walsh is the one everybody remembers. Cause that’s sort of the quote unquote recent heyday of GE, but there was something to have in a sort of a smart CEO, executive staff, Management that can drive the company forward.
And when you don’t have that, you, you struggle. So it’s like having the best pitcher in baseball. It makes a huge difference on
Dan: [00:13:02] the opportunity to win a ball game.
Allen Hall: [00:13:04] It does matter too. And Bezos is one of those Elon Musk’s and other, you can get list them all off, Tim cook, Apple, you know, you can start listing off those people.
and I, it we’ll see how the solve really. Rolls in the next six months or so I would like to get a better sense of it. Six months from now. I hate predicting what happens and we’re in the midst of some sort of turmoil because you just hope everybody gets out of it and then we’ll figure out what stability looks like in a couple of months.
Dan: [00:13:32] Yeah. So some, some unfortunate, lightening news coming out of India. So 264 deaths between February and may, just from lightning strikes. How has that going on?
Allen Hall: [00:13:45] Not having places to shelter, typically, especially if you’re outdoors, even in the United States. And that happened, the United States still does.
not to those numbers though, because the temptation, if you’re outdoors is to shelter under a tree and trees tend to be lightening rods and, Also, you’ll see a lot of times farmers at, even in the States, you’ll see lightning strikes out in the field and if you’re just stuck out there, it’s really hard to get away from lightning strikes.
And I don’t know if you saw it. Was it this past week where they had a bunch of lightning strikes, up in Canada and Washington state, I think they had the, almost like 50% of the years, total and lightning strikes in one storm. I’m like what the heck’s going on there. Right. So it’s somewhat, sometimes these really freak things happen when you have so many, just more lightning strikes.
And I, I. Kind of correlate that to, and there’s been some discussion about this recently of lightning strikes being triggered by, essentially particles coming from the sun or solar radiation, making the air in the atmosphere a little more conducive to lightning strikes and changing the way that electricity happens.
you gotta, you gotta wonder if it’s not something like that. Going on, things like their aura Borealis, right? So these, you have these particles hit in the atmosphere and you see this light discharge there’s there’s. There was a thought that lightning could be caused by that. Or you can have more lightening strikes and things like that are happening.
So it looks, sounds like this part of the year is just going to be really high lightning strikes. Maybe it’s part of the Corona virus fallout
Dan: [00:15:25] it’s affecting the atmosphere. I mean, nothing’s surprising at this point, whether it’s more lightening than the crackin rises out of this ocean. So just, you know, to terrorize the U S for a while and just like 2020 is 2020 is a nightmare.
There’s this weird year, right? It’s the worst
Allen Hall: [00:15:44] it’s so we barely got into it. And next thing you know, we’re on lockdown. And now, now the crackings Cummins.
Dan: [00:15:50] I mean, I’d be surprised if it didn’t at this point, just, just knocking off, you know, swatting down, offshore wind turbines and clogging up one of the beaches.
So, gosh, maybe it’s because it’s 2020, this is some weird. Man. I don’t believe any of that stuff, but we haven’t had a, you know, I don’t know what kind of number you call that, but like since 19, 1920, 20 next one’s coming in third in 30, 30. Yeah. We’re going to see that one 21 2121. What am I doing? Oh God, come on Dan.
That I just leap a thousand years, but right. I don’t know. Maybe there are, the world is just spinning on a different axis right now because of. I don’t know, boy,
Allen Hall: [00:16:35] it seems like it doesn’t, it, it totally seems like it cause even, even like this, Saw the lightning strike down in Oklahoma city. Those guys working at the air force base and their security struck truck got struck by lightning water in the truck.
And then the truck catches fire and essentially burns to the ground. You’re like, Holy smokes. You know, come on and talk about a bad year for those guys. You’re out there doing your job. You’re in a metal truck. You think? Well, what the heck? Right. You know, it’s thunderstorm, it’s Oklahoma for goodness sakes.
Lotta lightning. And then blammo your
Dan: [00:17:10] truck Lambo for sure. Comic book. Blammo it’s like Batman’s punching on the
Allen Hall: [00:17:18] right.
Dan: [00:17:19] Yeah.
Allen Hall: [00:17:21] And I’m sh I kinda wonder how loud that. Sounds when that happens, because you have to think it’s gotta be like a sledgehammer hit in the side of the head. even if you’re inside a vehicle, it’s gotta be loud.
And every, every electrical circuit inside that truck. It’s probably sparking, sparking and Homan after that. And then the truck burns to the ground. So they were very fortunate to get out of it. But it’s, again, one of those, what the heck’s up with 2020 kind of events, right?
Dan: [00:17:51] Come on. Yeah. Well, and, and one of the thing that’s slowly getting some traction now in 2020 is a, which we’ve talked about briefly in the past, which is, wind turbine recycling of these blades.
So, you know, there’s a good report from wind Europe about some of the methods that they’re trying to, but a lot of these things just aren’t up to scale yet to, you know, shred these blades and, and find a really good home. Cause they’re so big and these materials just, they’re just not going anywhere. I mean, 108 meters now for the new Gamesa one, you know, and, like what are we going to do with this?
As a lot of these starts up. You got to hit their shelf life and come off the, a of active duty. You can’t make them all into playgrounds, right? Like there’s some cool ones. So they’re making it a playgrounds, but kids don’t even go out on the playground. Kids don’t even go outside anymore. You gotta make them, you gotta find a way to make them into video game consoles.
Then we’ll be in good shape.
Allen Hall: [00:18:47] Yeah. Super Mario brothers, right?
Dan: [00:18:50] Yeah.
Allen Hall: [00:18:50] Well, you know, it gets back to some discussions we’ve had this week, which is. You really, really, really, really need to start pushing the lifetime of these blades out as much as humanly possible. And, and in the wind turbine, as a, as a complete system needs to be living longer.
It’s the same. I’ll give you the same sort of thing in aircraft that. This week was a sort of a notable week in the aviation world because Delta airlines was the last real airline company to be flying the McDonald Douglas . And so they just shut them down this week. And those airplanes were designed, I think, in the early to mid seventies, D D C nine.
Right? So those airplanes had roughly roughly a 40 to 50 year sort of service period. and. Yeah, a lot of airplanes are still flying that are over 50 years old and they were never intended to do that, but just, we put the technology back into them. We sort of cleaned them up and made sure they were structurally okay.
And kept them in service longer. And. We need to do that. We need to be doing those things that keep those wind turbines operating longer and figure out ways to do that rather than dumping them into a landfill. Yeah. Right. If we got something functional, great, and know, think about a lot of, a lot of the electrical components, all the copper and the steel and those kinds of things are recyclable bits, the towers recyclable.
but the blades really aren’t at least not yet. And we need to get to the point of having. When we get there, cause we’re going to get there. Everybody. Thermal plastics epoxies are going to go away, thermal plastics, which are going to be recyclable, reusable. We need to get to a reusable plastic or something that we can recycle and, or extending the life of the blades as long as we can.
because you just can’t. We just can’t go through these cycles. You just can’t do it. if, if we’re, if we’re trying to clean up the oceans and trying to clean up the landfills and all that, and then, you know, I think the winter remark is doing a pretty good job of that, but we need to be thinking ahead a little bit longer too.
Dan: [00:20:56] Yeah. Yeah. so last time before we wrap for today, so the new. Siemens Gamesa, 1875, whatever D D you know, call sign. it’s got a direct drive. So what are some of the advantages of the direct drive versus the regular, like geared gearbox?
Allen Hall: [00:21:14] Most wind turbines are geared. So the, if you think of the hub and the blade spinning, I’m actually driving it.
Transmission like in a car. And so the, it takes the relatively slow rotations of the blade and ramps them up, considerably. So everything internally and the generators spinning much faster. The problem with that, and it gets back to the lifetime issue is anything that’s geared where you’re putting a lot of stress on it over a long period of time.
Parks get fatigued, just like in your car, car transmissions, don’t run forever. Well, the same thing’s happening in these gearboxes that the gearboxes wear out and you can’t constantly maintain them. and you obviously are providing maintenance to them, but at some point there’s only so much you can do, they’re gonna wear and they’re gonna eventually eventually fail.
So one of the more recent ways of addressing that is to. Remove the gearbox out of it and just take the, the rotor blades in the rotor and drive it into a, a, basically a permanent magnet generator. So the most simplest form of creating electricity is a spinning a magnet around or a coil of wire around a permanent magnet.
so. It’s a much simpler system. There’s less copper in a permanent magnet generator than in a geared system. So there’s some cost savings, potentially cost setting. It’s gotta be lighter weight. and the permanent magnets are much better. You have, it’s kinda like the battery technology has been more recently the permanent magnet.
Technology has been better because of the materials we can put into the magnets. So direct drive is, is most likely to be the future. And it’s just less things to break, which is the goal, right? So even if it may cost a little bit more money, it’s probably going to get you to that 20 year service life everybody’s wanting to get to direct drive.
And it’s not surprising. That seems to Mesa is offering a direct drive on this new turbine. Not, not at all.
Dan: [00:23:26] Not at all. Gotcha. Is that at all similar to like the brushless motor technology that they have in like these new high powered, like handheld drills and these electric drills?
Allen Hall: [00:23:36] Yeah. I mean, there’s different ways to go about it.
I don’t wanna get into too much detail about electricity here because it’s hard to describe or that you physically seeing it, but, there are brush, most things are there’s brushes and there’s non BR and there’s. Like there’s electronics to do it. And there’s, there’s a lot of different ways to go about it for efficiencies.
you know, it, it relates to cause the question about efficiency sort of ties into, what to do with excess power. So it had, did you see that, discussion? I think it was, I think it was the Alon Moscow. One of them talking about using wind turbines to create hydrogen. Gas fuel and the nighttime.
And there’s nothing else going on when the wind turbines are spinning, you can’t use the power on the grid just to make hydrogen with it. Well, I’m telling you, that’s where we’re going. again, using the energy where you can to, to it’s hydrogen, just like a storage facility. That’s essentially what it is.
It’s like a hydrogen battery. I saw that again this week. It seems to be a lot more things there and. Keep there’s more just talk about this new, Tesla battery system, where they are talking about the million hour battery, that Tesla supposedly has developed with a Chinese battery company. It percolates up about every two weeks.
Like they keep saying, they’re going to announce it, gonna announce it could announce it. And they were supposed to announce it back in March. And now we’re we’re way past March. So, A lot of exciting things coming up, we just got to keep our ear to the ground and see what, see what comes of it.
Dan: [00:25:07] Yeah. The battery technology seems like a really interesting one.
There’s a lot of companies working on these big energy storage batteries for, you know, for small towns for potentially just like with the grid applications, not just like the in-home applications or cars, stuff like that. So. Yeah, that’s pretty, it’s, it’s pretty interesting to see how that’ll change things in the future.
Allen Hall: [00:25:26] Yeah. Your world. And my world will change dramatically. If we have this million hour, a million mile battery, wherever they want to call it, if that is not just theoretical in some buddy’s head, but at that as a wheel thing that they can actually produce and manufacture it some quantity, our lives change a lot in the next 10 years.
Dan: [00:25:49] So now I never, I never have to go outside. I can just believe my whole life becomes a video game.
Allen Hall: [00:25:54] Just plug into the, to the matrix. There are
Dan: [00:25:57] games we interact with the world, with my avatar. My avatar is battery powered. And just sounds, sounds good.
Allen Hall: [00:26:04] Take your avatar for a walk. Take your avatar dog for a walk.
Yeah,
Dan: [00:26:07] just the whole avatar life. Yeah. Well that’s how they get you. They upsell you like you just by going for the one avatar. And then they also tell you that I’ve, it’s our dog, and then you have the avatar cat and then the avatar wife, and then a couple of avatar children then suddenly, you know how it works,
Allen Hall: [00:26:24] everything, everything
Dan: [00:26:25] isn’t upsale, dad avatar feels left out that they don’t have an avatar and even avatar for your avatar.
It’s just a, yeah. That’s where life’s going. But yeah, one of, a lot of interesting tech, for sure. I just want the self driving car. That’s where I’m I’m at. Of course I’m not really driving much anyway, but. But you just get to sell your car, right? That’s true. But to get another city, I don’t have to drive myself there.
I can actually like work on my drive. That’s we’d never get those hours back. We’d love to never dry myself in a car again. Be great.
Allen Hall: [00:26:56] But how are you going to listen to your eBooks? You can’t
Dan: [00:26:59] refining in my self driving car. What are you, what are you thinking?
Allen Hall: [00:27:02] I think you’re going to do work in the self driving car.
No, here, you’re going to listen to the ebook
Dan: [00:27:07] so I can do whatever I want to do because I’m not driving myself,
Allen Hall: [00:27:10] but it sounds like a super Mario brothers event. That’s what it sounds like.
Dan: [00:27:14] Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. Well, we’re going to wrap up today’s episode of uptime. If you’re new to the show.
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